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Wednesday, March 26, 2008

patience for others

How much we trust ourselves?
symptom of how we push (others)?
Isn't trust the reach beyond understanding?
If we knew, (where) could awareness grow (/go)?


Blogger Charles Bergeman said...

How do we choose to include or exclude others?

Is Inclusion derived from:
Understanding, sympathy, tolerance, love, care, desire, fulfillment?

Why do we exclude?
Lack of patience? Fear? Disdain? Jealousy?

Are we aware? Aware of the price we pay for these choices?

3/26/08, 10:17 AM  
Blogger Vincent said...

Important things! Together (b4d and Charles) some food for thought.

I'm trying to ask myself how much I trust myself. It's weird to do this! The immediate answer I get is that I am (necessarily) my own critic. I have to watch out for my mistakes and correct them: I mean when I do work, design and construct.

I can trust myself when (a) my instincts are efficient at preserving me from harm and (b) my instincts are aligned with the wellbeing of the Universe.

And when I don't trust myself? It's tiring. An irritation is never far from expression, and indeed i will push others, as if trying to blame them.

But trust is indeed the reach beyond understanding. The personification of trust is God. "In God we trust" is a definition of God.

And the awareness question: I can't answer and I know the question is rhetorical.

3/27/08, 12:56 AM  
Blogger jim said...

Well, I am a believer in the impossible being possible, maybe it is a property of imagination, whatever I can imagine, I can do.

Kabbalistically speaking, it is impossible to know past consciousness. Wisdom is behind Understanding, and both are unconscious and will stay so. The light on the earth is on this side of them, and will stay so. But I don't agree with that.

Why don't I agree? I think the system of that Mysticism buried the teachings from which it came forth, and so failed to realize what can or could be for a human being.

This burying by the Jewish Mystics of the middle ages, as astute as they were, and are today, is no different except in degree, from the teachings of Christianity, wherein they discourage any investigation past consciousness and intellect of the earthly variety, this discouragement took the form in the statements about 'Jesus is all you need to know, the name will do, and that he died as he did', everything else is not for humans to deal with. So too the Jews drew a line and said this is the limitation.

But I don't agree with those limitations. I think from my own research and experiences that sense can probably go further into the darkness, so much so that a new sense will or can form, a sense that will at least make the processes behind consciousness and its' knowings, accessible. I even dealt with describing this activity-sense on the blog of Joanne under one of her posts.

Ongoing work. I think awareness must grow there, because there is not enough here to solve our issues. And that awareness grown, will force change thru reason on our errors.

Something like that.

3/27/08, 1:09 AM  
Blogger BBC said...

I trust me, others have to earn my trust. Actually, I'm often way too trusting and it stabs me in the back.

3/27/08, 5:25 AM  
Blogger Charles Bergeman said...

We all live our lives half in darkness half in light.

During the day, when everything is illuminated, our thinking is clear, we see things for what they are.

At night, the shadows trick us, artificial light betrays our ability to fully comprehend what we see.

When we are awake, we have only daydreams to distract us. When we are asleep, our imaginations are set free to roam.

Oddly enough, we come to trust reality in equal portions with the deception of night and our dreams.

So, I think we do indeed trust ourselves, but we should recognize that this trust is often misplaced.

We are comfortable with the deceptions that please us, uncomfortable with those that betray our perception of things.

When we recognize that others are subject to the same influences that we are, we can more easily accept their betrayals, along with their signs of good faith.

3/27/08, 9:34 AM  
Blogger brad4d said...

The perspective of such a long-time friend (Hi Charles) does help me pay attention and respect optional considerations. We'll talk more after I pick him up in 10 minutes.
Maybe NOT knowing past consciousness is that intuitive (mystical) ingredient we need to refine for unity sake, Vincent and Jim.
Bill, your generosity makes people test your limits to justify theirs. You collect rough gems because your craft is restorative. Few people value maintenance like us.

3/27/08, 10:07 AM  
Blogger jim said...

Interesting reply Bradford, implies certain things.

These things, pasts in consciousness, are an aspect or is an aspect of mystical theory that I am in the process of verifying in my own way, I never trust the world of mankind and so must have verification thru other means or person experience.

Trust again, Bill was right, I learned to not trust and it has served me well. But I replaced the old 'too trusting' with acceptance without judgement or certainty, giving myself plenty of room to enjoy others points, and to toy with them for myself to see if I 'want' to trust those points.

Of course this implies some method of becoming certain for oneself, I guess you know mine, it is the Text, not kabbalah, but the Text itself, not the usual translations, but, well, you know.

I do agree with you tho, there is something there that IS the intuitive factor, there is also a real manifest critical factor that is not intellect, so I think.

Thanks, keep singing.

3/27/08, 11:49 PM  
Blogger brad4d said...

Great verse Jim, were your ears ringing yesterday? How bout you other two?
What we need to learn to trust attracts our interest, so we PAY attention for results we expect to PAY respect, but it exercises appreciation (or not) for trusting the next intuitive (instinctual) investment.
So being brave enough to trust comes from the courage to question?
Amazing how this is still connecting to the first verse Charles sang.

3/28/08, 9:30 AM  
Blogger jim said...

I didn't mean that I toy with the people and their time, I meant that I toy with things that are said, like rolling them around in mind. Please don't anyone think I take people lightly, I never mean to do that.

LOL, Bradford, my ears are most always ringing, fortunately I have my own internal voices well understood most of the time, that keeps progressing. But I do hear some, lol, funny things, lol, and usually it has value somehow.

4/1/08, 10:31 PM  

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